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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 1, 2011 11:28:32 GMT -5
Wow Gunther,
I don't know what it is that's made you like this but it's just sad that you have to live your life so negatively.
I feel sorry for you and would never play with someone like you.
It's just a drag being around someone who feels the need to drag everyone else down.
I hope you come out on the other side of whatever you're going through as a better person.
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Post by gunther on Mar 1, 2011 12:22:58 GMT -5
How could this site be better than Craiglist? Some of the posters here, never having worked at a professional level (it's more than just getting $50 for four hours of arduous effort, effort, effort because few know how to play time minimally) post here the exact same poseur ivory tower above-it-all crap like "So your idea of how to make this better than Craigslist is to just start flaming?" See, this guy doesn't even get it. He's never played at any actual professional with others of similar capability to understand what Craigslist, and now this site, is all about is HACKS posting about crap. No music is ever really discussed. Doesn't get any deeper than what Korean made guitar someone owns or what amp one uses. For what? What is the SOUND you're going after, dude? What SOUND does whatever produce? What is one DOING with these SOUNDS, man? Does anyone like the above guy who can't duplicate properly what was said in the first place even know what A SOUND is in music? Especially popular music? That might be difficult because the "instruments" coming out today generally are soundless. I doubt any of these pompous jackwagons here in their ivory towers, all locked away as they name drop to pretend they know how to play music with other human beings, could afford a real instrument that produces a real sound. Even if so, would these guys know what to do with it? I never hear influences discussed on Craigslist because, if they do, it gets FLAGGED.
Oh. But this is "negative" and real professionals are never that! God forbid one expresses a critical thought because in Craigslist-type land, everyone is a star and everyone is wonderful and that all winds up with no analysis, no critical thinking, the "music" mush, no one striving to be better than anyone else.
Kind of like how TV portrays American culture where everyone gets along with everyone else and we can all live in every else's neighborhoods with no strife, differences and we all have low wage jobs and look like slobs. I love this country ...
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Post by Fight Another Day on Mar 1, 2011 12:55:10 GMT -5
I was trying to be civil and not jump in, but screw it. You, gunther, sound like an extremely cynical, bitter man with a massive amount of pent up anger and frustration. Aside from whomever is flagging the ads, the main problem with Craigslist isn't people that aren't true "professionals", gunther, the problem is people like you. Angry, bitter old men/women that feel the need to knock others down to boost their own ego's. Sure, you may have a ton of knowledge, experience, ability, etc, but you're also one of the more ignorant "professional" musicians I've ever come across, and I've never even met you! I can only imagine what it'd be like to play in a band with you... Oh wait! I couldn't be in a band with you because I'm a hack, wannabe, poser, etc. I'll tell you what, though - when I'm about to turn 60, I'll be spending my downtime learning and creating new music, not trolling internet forums trying to boost my own elitist ego. I'm not sure if you need AA, counseling, a good shagging or just someone to take the stick out of your ass, but whatever it is do the world a favor and keep to yourself until you figure it out. And hurry up - life's too short to be angry all the time. Especially at your age.  |
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Post by drumminman on Mar 1, 2011 15:10:53 GMT -5
This guy gunther is evidently an unhappy troll who belongs at C.L. with all the other trolls. He hasn't contributed one positive thing to this forum in over 25 posts. This must be his only way to get attention, that is by behaving this way.
I'd like to go see him perform somewhere, as I'm sure that with all of his expertise I could learn a lot from watching and hearing him play. He hasn't posted his URL but with his level of knowledge, I'm sure he must have one. He seems to know everything about everything, and he must be working with some really great players, too, in order for them to meet his standards. His drummer must really kick ass, too. More lessons for me.
Or.........We could just ignore him.
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Post by Fight Another Day on Mar 1, 2011 15:45:30 GMT -5
Yeah, ignoring him is the best course of action, it just set me off when he had the balls to tell a beginner he shouldn't post on this site because it's for "professionals" only. Oh well - it's the internet and there will always be douch...uh...I mean "trolls"... |
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Post by drummer1959 on Mar 3, 2011 19:22:25 GMT -5
Hello everyone,I have been watching this from the Tampa,fl Craigslist and looks like alot of musicians who are fed up with all that is going on in craigslist is here.
I too have 'met' and heard of 'gunther' he is what he is a 'name' on a board with NO verafiable history,even though those on Craigslist have asked him.
The best way to handle 'musicians' like him is to just ignore him.He just likes to rant and rave and is at his best in his 'pity loves ebers' parties.
Me I am looking for musicians who would like to get together and form a band to play OUT for MONEY and enjoy this gift that has been given to me.
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Post by georgiegeorge on Mar 6, 2011 14:54:14 GMT -5
I always keep in mind that it's the geneeral public, the fans, the listeners that are the final judge as to who works and who doesn't. We all approach music as a craft, but the public sees it as an art.
when a musician falls by the wayside, unable to stay afloat, out of work, his ability no longer in demand, ultimately the responsibility falls on his shoulders. I have personally experienced a rebirth in my craft...a personal rebirth. There's a lot of other factors that I have witnessed too that play into a performers falling by the wayside. Family, drug abuse, personality changes, and other stuff that comes with age and experience. It ultimately becomes a matter of how well we can deal with these changes in life and how much we let the changes affect our life. When I mess up an audition, or I don't get the gig, It's my fault. Im not gonna blame anyone else for my mistake. I keep it all real that way.
A great many of the top "name" performers adventually fall into a pattern of relying on their past reputation and experience and keep on goin with their careers. That's good. It's legit, too. But I continue to give rebirth to my style and to my career. I am also out of work and here in Tampa bay. Music is my religion...I used to be methodist.
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Post by bk on Mar 6, 2011 16:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by georgiegeorge on Mar 7, 2011 7:52:21 GMT -5
Most of the clubs in Tampa bay area are too small to support a band. Bourbon Street was a minimum sized club to support a local band, unable to support a road band or national talent for any amount of time. That club was sold out and reduced in size. New york new york is a hot place. They have been doin it for a long time. And quite successfully, too. Dallas Bull has occasional name bands in too. But door tickets are necessary. There's other places too. But being here for a while, I see a lot of unhappy musicians suckin on beer and blowin bones in the parking lot at breaks.
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Post by gunther on Mar 7, 2011 11:36:36 GMT -5
No, dude, you couldn't play with someone like me. You're in some ivory tower thinking that reality is "bad" and that people with experience who tell it like it is about the talentless are also "bad." Here's what you're telling me -- "Whaa! Whaa! You're terrible because you're a human being with real life experience like Buddy Rich, and Jaco who are real human beings to and not Gods!" I guarantee not a one of you bandwagoners here who all stroke each other off with lunancy that "negativity (telling it like it is) equates to "no talent" can actually make a sound, know what a sound is, what to do with said sound or communicate with another human being in the language of the art. Fuzz tone ain't it, dude. That's for Sam Ash crowd who can only play major chords and eight notes. Maybe a fluffy or 16th or 32 notes -- all out of context, all to impress the really stupid. Odd none of you "true professionals" haven't referenced anyone by name, venue, education, etc. I have. What? You're not men enough as you stoke each other off badmouthing me to mask your own incapabilities? "Oh, Gunther! You're so negative!" Lol! Then learn to play your instruments. Spend less time stroking yourselves off and listen to records or something ... that's something I KNOW for a fact none of you other "pros" do. Wow Gunther, I don't know what it is that's made you like this but it's just sad that you have to live your life so negatively. I feel sorry for you and would never play with someone like you. It's just a drag being around someone who feels the need to drag everyone else down. I hope you come out on the other side of whatever you're going through as a better person. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 7, 2011 11:41:21 GMT -5
There seems to be a recurrent theme here from the less than proficient -- because you're "negative" on a webpage forum you MUST be a terrible musician. My God, people! Who educated you? TV? Real people express emotions, dude. Art and music are all that. Oh. I guess you can't express yourself at all to know, huh? Like I said -- Craigslist II for non working professionals who were raised on corporate crap the rest of us got paid to produce. I was trying to be civil and not jump in, but screw it. You, gunther, sound like an extremely cynical, bitter man with a massive amount of pent up anger and frustration. Aside from whomever is flagging the ads, the main problem with Craigslist isn't people that aren't true "professionals", gunther, the problem is people like you. Angry, bitter old men/women that feel the need to knock others down to boost their own ego's. Sure, you may have a ton of knowledge, experience, ability, etc, but you're also one of the more ignorant "professional" musicians I've ever come across, and I've never even met you! I can only imagine what it'd be like to play in a band with you... Oh wait! I couldn't be in a band with you because I'm a hack, wannabe, poser, etc. I'll tell you what, though - when I'm about to turn 60, I'll be spending my downtime learning and creating new music, not trolling internet forums trying to boost my own elitist ego. I'm not sure if you need AA, counseling, a good shagging or just someone to take the stick out of your ass, but whatever it is do the world a favor and keep to yourself until you figure it out. And hurry up - life's too short to be angry all the time. Especially at your age. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 7, 2011 11:43:33 GMT -5
A new twist. "No verifyable history." Um, what's yours, dude? No wonder no one works in this town. Too busy nattering about things you yourselves have no experience with. Such are the hacks, poseurs who are afraid of communication and emotions. Real artists aren't because that's what it's all about. Hello everyone,I have been watching this from the Tampa,fl Craigslist and looks like alot of musicians who are fed up with all that is going on in craigslist is here. I too have 'met' and heard of 'gunther' he is what he is a 'name' on a board with NO verafiable history,even though those on Craigslist have asked him. The best way to handle 'musicians' like him is to just ignore him.He just likes to rant and rave and is at his best in his 'pity loves ebers' parties. Me I am looking for musicians who would like to get together and form a band to play OUT for MONEY and enjoy this gift that has been given to me. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 7, 2011 11:52:08 GMT -5
No, it isn't always "your fault" if you fail an audition. One can actually be too good in this town. Rather than the others rising up to the occassion, they usually stick with dumbing themselves down. Status quo. Not even an "how do you do that?" No curiousity. Just severe fear by those who have no clue what freedom is in art and music, must less how to get a band together. Too much proficiency scares the less talented amongst us. I always keep in mind that it's the geneeral public, the fans, the listeners that are the final judge as to who works and who doesn't. We all approach music as a craft, but the public sees it as an art. when a musician falls by the wayside, unable to stay afloat, out of work, his ability no longer in demand, ultimately the responsibility falls on his shoulders. I have personally experienced a rebirth in my craft...a personal rebirth. There's a lot of other factors that I have witnessed too that play into a performers falling by the wayside. Family, drug abuse, personality changes, and other stuff that comes with age and experience. It ultimately becomes a matter of how well we can deal with these changes in life and how much we let the changes affect our life. When I mess up an audition, or I don't get the gig, It's my fault. Im not gonna blame anyone else for my mistake. I keep it all real that way. A great many of the top "name" performers adventually fall into a pattern of relying on their past reputation and experience and keep on goin with their careers. That's good. It's legit, too. But I continue to give rebirth to my style and to my career. I am also out of work and here in Tampa bay. Music is my religion...I used to be methodist. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 7, 2011 11:54:47 GMT -5
Wow, Woodbutcher! I didn't know how actually terrified you are of communication and words on a screen! How free expression must scare the Hell outta you if it veers off your fixed ideas of behavior. Of course, you could "never work" with anyone who might actually express his/her ideas outside of your little box. Why? They would expose you for being timid, afraid to step up and be a man in an artform. So criticize me by name. If what I said prior offends you, then I must be talking to you about something, huh? Wow Gunther, I don't know what it is that's made you like this but it's just sad that you have to live your life so negatively. I feel sorry for you and would never play with someone like you. It's just a drag being around someone who feels the need to drag everyone else down. I hope you come out on the other side of whatever you're going through as a better person. |
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Post by Fight Another Day on Mar 7, 2011 12:55:04 GMT -5
Okay, so I went to the Chinese restaurant closest to me on my lunch break and noticed something strange. The chicken in most things (lo mein, chow mein, sweet/sour, etc) is somewhat fatty, whereas the chicken on the skewers when you order teriyaki chicken is very lean. I ended up ordering chicken lo mein and teriyaki chicken. Could I have just eaten a 50% chicken, 50% cat meal? Or am I just being paranoid?
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