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Post by belgarath on Mar 7, 2011 13:40:56 GMT -5
Ya know I grew up in the New York Scene on Long Island late 70's early 80's, played with / jammed with many great named bands, Soft White Underbelly (small venue name for Blue Oyster Cult), Foghat, Peppy Marcello and the Good Rats and a few others. The one thing they never did to me was accuse me of having no talent. Everybody makes mistakes while playing even aficionados, its what you do right after the the mistake that makes you a "Professional".
England had no union during the 60's and produced some of the finest (now they are) musicians of our age look at band like the yardbirds - Jeff Beck - Jimmy page - Eric Clapton and others were all members at one time or another and most together.
its called practice, practice, practice; and it takes some folks years
it also means blending your talents with other talents and playing with / to their strong points while avoiding their weak points
these are some of the particulars that make one a "professional"
Oh by the way the above named bands were not union members until after they were discovered so so much for that theory.
As a past Club owner I can attest to the fact that "NO" most venues cannot afford to pay 1000.00+ per gig for 4 hours anymore....it just doesn't help the bottom line not to mention that ASCAP, BMI, and EMI all want to have their hands in your till as well. So instead we help the younger less experienced Musicians gain that practice, practice, practice ,time.
maybe NYC ran you out ...its a tough town, I know I grew up there but it didn't stop me and mine from making a good living for young 20 year olds; (400 a night in 1979 for a small bar, remember Min Wage was 3.10 an hour in those days so it was a better living than most others had).
well enough of this rant - I'll try the Pork Lo Mein maybe its better than the chicken
PS Love to see you at a gig Gunther post your events maybe I can help get you produced still have many good friends in production up in the big apple and I'm working with a few down here to get them up there...love to give you a shot.
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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 7, 2011 17:00:26 GMT -5
OK Gunther. Put up or shut up. Where are you playing so the rest of us can bask in your supreme wonderfulness?  ;D  I'll be at the House of Blues in Orlando on March 19th. I'll be at Venetian Falls in Venice on March 26th. I have a private event on Sunset Beach in Treasure Island on April 16th. I'm back at the House of Blues in Orlando April 29th & 30th. |
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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 7, 2011 17:05:29 GMT -5
Okay, so I went to the Chinese restaurant closest to me on my lunch break and noticed something strange. The chicken in most things (lo mein, chow mein, sweet/sour, etc) is somewhat fatty, whereas the chicken on the skewers when you order teriyaki chicken is very lean. I ended up ordering chicken lo mein and teriyaki chicken. Could I have just eaten a 50% chicken, 50% cat meal? Or am I just being paranoid? I wouldn't be too worried about it if I were you. I've traveled in China enough to know that it's all just meat and sometimes it's better not to know. |
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Post by georgiegeorge on Mar 7, 2011 19:36:44 GMT -5
Hey, well said belgarath...I was very busy in the late seventies, too, in Atlanta doin house gigs, 4,5 and mostly six niters a week for months at a time. I like what you say, and you are right. You have to learn how to work in music, not just play the song. And how to interact with the notes. I see you are new, so welcome.
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Post by belgarath on Mar 8, 2011 21:38:41 GMT -5
Thanks GeorgieGeorge |
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Post by belgarath on Mar 8, 2011 21:41:53 GMT -5
Thats what I love about Chinese food, one day dog, one day cat, and maybe next day is racoon!!
enough ginger and soy makes it all taste great
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Post by holyjaguar on Mar 9, 2011 20:42:32 GMT -5
Small Dog,..F A D
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Post by Fight Another Day on Mar 9, 2011 23:19:53 GMT -5
Thanks for that. I was hoping for squirrel at least. Hope it wasn't a dachshund...if I lose my desire for hotdogs I might have to rethink this whole "life" deal.
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Post by gunther on Mar 10, 2011 9:57:58 GMT -5
Produced? Um, dude, if you read any of my posts, you'd realize I'm strictly sideman -- an art unto itself. Now, if you gotta session for some actual Blues, R&B, southern Gospel or something well rooted in that, lemmee know. I'm $100/hr. Results guaranteed. Ya know I grew up in the New York Scene on Long Island late 70's early 80's, played with / jammed with many great named bands, Soft White Underbelly (small venue name for Blue Oyster Cult), Foghat, Peppy Marcello and the Good Rats and a few others. The one thing they never did to me was accuse me of having no talent. Everybody makes mistakes while playing even aficionados, its what you do right after the the mistake that makes you a "Professional". England had no union during the 60's and produced some of the finest (now they are) musicians of our age look at band like the yardbirds - Jeff Beck - Jimmy page - Eric Clapton and others were all members at one time or another and most together. its called practice, practice, practice; and it takes some folks years it also means blending your talents with other talents and playing with / to their strong points while avoiding their weak points these are some of the particulars that make one a "professional" Oh by the way the above named bands were not union members until after they were discovered so so much for that theory. As a past Club owner I can attest to the fact that "NO" most venues cannot afford to pay 1000.00+ per gig for 4 hours anymore....it just doesn't help the bottom line not to mention that ASCAP, BMI, and EMI all want to have their hands in your till as well. So instead we help the younger less experienced Musicians gain that practice, practice, practice ,time. maybe NYC ran you out ...its a tough town, I know I grew up there but it didn't stop me and mine from making a good living for young 20 year olds; (400 a night in 1979 for a small bar, remember Min Wage was 3.10 an hour in those days so it was a better living than most others had). well enough of this rant - I'll try the Pork Lo Mein maybe its better than the chicken PS Love to see you at a gig Gunther post your events maybe I can help get you produced still have many good friends in production up in the big apple and I'm working with a few down here to get them up there...love to give you a shot. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 10, 2011 10:00:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Did you think I'd be interested in coming out to see you play? Why? Are you defensive about something? Apparently so. I'm not. I just tell it like it is about too many local "musicians" who adtervise themselves as players but who can barely count out a measure of music properly and sustain it. "Drummers" in particular plain blow and ruin it for guys who play with jazz and R&B time. That's all, dude. That's my point. Defensive kids. Sheesh.... OK Gunther. Put up or shut up. Where are you playing so the rest of us can bask in your supreme wonderfulness? ;D I'll be at the House of Blues in Orlando on March 19th. I'll be at Venetian Falls in Venice on March 26th. I have a private event on Sunset Beach in Treasure Island on April 16th. I'm back at the House of Blues in Orlando April 29th & 30th. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 10, 2011 10:08:25 GMT -5
Dude, know Will Lee? He's a good friend of mine. Do you produce him? Doubtful. How about Steve Gadd? Steve Jordan? Michael Waldren? I worked with them all as sideman on various gigs and sessions. You know -- actual real professionals who are trained like myself. I don't get why the entire point I've made goes under people's heads -- I'm talking strictly about non-talents who get their garbage at a Sam Ash, have no concept of time, pulse, sound yet who lay there like eggs at virtually every venue from Brooksville to Naples with few exceptions -- Sarasota Slim for one. FOR ONE! Out of how many "musicians?" Sorry, that is pathetic for an area this size. The rest make playing absolutely painful for those who are used to working with the Steve Jordans or Waldrens or Bobby Moses and such. Ya know I grew up in the New York Scene on Long Island late 70's early 80's, played with / jammed with many great named bands, Soft White Underbelly (small venue name for Blue Oyster Cult), Foghat, Peppy Marcello and the Good Rats and a few others. The one thing they never did to me was accuse me of having no talent. Everybody makes mistakes while playing even aficionados, its what you do right after the the mistake that makes you a "Professional". England had no union during the 60's and produced some of the finest (now they are) musicians of our age look at band like the yardbirds - Jeff Beck - Jimmy page - Eric Clapton and others were all members at one time or another and most together. its called practice, practice, practice; and it takes some folks years it also means blending your talents with other talents and playing with / to their strong points while avoiding their weak points these are some of the particulars that make one a "professional" Oh by the way the above named bands were not union members until after they were discovered so so much for that theory. As a past Club owner I can attest to the fact that "NO" most venues cannot afford to pay 1000.00+ per gig for 4 hours anymore....it just doesn't help the bottom line not to mention that ASCAP, BMI, and EMI all want to have their hands in your till as well. So instead we help the younger less experienced Musicians gain that practice, practice, practice ,time. maybe NYC ran you out ...its a tough town, I know I grew up there but it didn't stop me and mine from making a good living for young 20 year olds; (400 a night in 1979 for a small bar, remember Min Wage was 3.10 an hour in those days so it was a better living than most others had). well enough of this rant - I'll try the Pork Lo Mein maybe its better than the chicken PS Love to see you at a gig Gunther post your events maybe I can help get you produced still have many good friends in production up in the big apple and I'm working with a few down here to get them up there...love to give you a shot. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 10, 2011 10:10:48 GMT -5
Playing what? With a drummer who can barely count to four? How about you, glowing about yourself so, put up some samples for the rest of us to hear your musicianship you seem very defensive of. OK Gunther. Put up or shut up. Where are you playing so the rest of us can bask in your supreme wonderfulness? ;D I'll be at the House of Blues in Orlando on March 19th. I'll be at Venetian Falls in Venice on March 26th. I have a private event on Sunset Beach in Treasure Island on April 16th. I'm back at the House of Blues in Orlando April 29th & 30th. |
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Post by gunther on Mar 10, 2011 10:15:25 GMT -5
Well, all you children can argue amongst yourselves. I've come to the sad realization no actual trained professional posts on this board. Hell. I'd love to talk about records, songs, styles, etc., going back to Ma Rainey forward. See, I've studied thousands of records, transcribed hundreds of parts from trumpet to bass and everything in between and perform at that level. My true love remains R&B and soul music. But there's none here except just a couple of people. The tragic part is kids who post here are clueless about the wealth of art and culture that went before them. Corporations run the show. Comply with their image or remain stupid unless you're an actual talent who wants to break the chains of the corporate grip on this "culture."
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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 10, 2011 11:08:08 GMT -5
Playing what? With a drummer who can barely count to four? How about you, glowing about yourself so, put up some samples for the rest of us to hear your musicianship you seem very defensive of. OK Gunther. Put up or shut up. Where are you playing so the rest of us can bask in your supreme wonderfulness? ;D I'll be at the House of Blues in Orlando on March 19th. I'll be at Venetian Falls in Venice on March 26th. I have a private event on Sunset Beach in Treasure Island on April 16th. I'm back at the House of Blues in Orlando April 29th & 30th. .....R&B with a drummer who has a degree from Miami. He played with Jaco when he was there too. Maybe you two know each other.  I'm not the one who sounds defensive. You didn't answer my question. Where are you working besides the rumble room at GC? |
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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 10, 2011 11:10:09 GMT -5
Dude, know Will Lee? He's a good friend of mine. Do you produce him? Doubtful. How about Steve Gadd? Steve Jordan? Michael Waldren? I worked with them all as sideman on various gigs and sessions. You know -- actual real professionals who are trained like myself. I don't get why the entire point I've made goes under people's heads -- I'm talking strictly about non-talents who get their garbage at a Sam Ash, have no concept of time, pulse, sound yet who lay there like eggs at virtually every venue from Brooksville to Naples with few exceptions -- Sarasota Slim for one. FOR ONE! Out of how many "musicians?" Sorry, that is pathetic for an area this size. The rest make playing absolutely painful for those who are used to working with the Steve Jordans or Waldrens or Bobby Moses and such. Ya know I grew up in the New York Scene on Long Island late 70's early 80's, played with / jammed with many great named bands, Soft White Underbelly (small venue name for Blue Oyster Cult), Foghat, Peppy Marcello and the Good Rats and a few others. The one thing they never did to me was accuse me of having no talent. Everybody makes mistakes while playing even aficionados, its what you do right after the the mistake that makes you a "Professional". England had no union during the 60's and produced some of the finest (now they are) musicians of our age look at band like the yardbirds - Jeff Beck - Jimmy page - Eric Clapton and others were all members at one time or another and most together. its called practice, practice, practice; and it takes some folks years it also means blending your talents with other talents and playing with / to their strong points while avoiding their weak points these are some of the particulars that make one a "professional" Oh by the way the above named bands were not union members until after they were discovered so so much for that theory. As a past Club owner I can attest to the fact that "NO" most venues cannot afford to pay 1000.00+ per gig for 4 hours anymore....it just doesn't help the bottom line not to mention that ASCAP, BMI, and EMI all want to have their hands in your till as well. So instead we help the younger less experienced Musicians gain that practice, practice, practice ,time. maybe NYC ran you out ...its a tough town, I know I grew up there but it didn't stop me and mine from making a good living for young 20 year olds; (400 a night in 1979 for a small bar, remember Min Wage was 3.10 an hour in those days so it was a better living than most others had). well enough of this rant - I'll try the Pork Lo Mein maybe its better than the chicken PS Love to see you at a gig Gunther post your events maybe I can help get you produced still have many good friends in production up in the big apple and I'm working with a few down here to get them up there...love to give you a shot. Easy enough for me to call Will and check this out... |
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